k. so. WTF in the first place. now we have to deal with flash-sideways? really? it was bad enough trying to figure out whether it was a forward or backward.
since we're on that subject...lets deal with that first. what did charlie mean "i was supposed to die"? very mucn a reference to hawking's whole "destiny self-corrects" idea, but since he didn't die on the plane, will we see him die in that reality down the road?
also, desmond...wtf?!? i've been mulling this one over now for a few days. at first i thought it could have been him flashing again since they never showed up & faraday never helped him get his anchor, but then i remembered that the island was on the bottom of the ocean so i figured even if desmond had ever made it to the island, he wasn't alive to be flashing any more. then i read some peoples' idea that since he never ended up on the island, he theoretically could have been on the oceanic 815 flight. i just don't think so. seems like too much of a cop-out. besides...where did he go then? no, desmond wasn't on that plane save that short convo with jack. yes, jack had a moment of recollection when desmond used "see you in another life, brother", but it could just have been because THEY HAD MET BEFORE. remember a little incident in an empty stadium with a sprained ankle? jack had the same look when they first met desmond down in the hatch and he called jack "brother". now, maybe that's over-simplifying it and it would be nice if jack had some sort of frequency-esque thing going on in his brain, but it doesn't seem like it...at least not yet.
another "huh?" ::grabs hair and pulls it out:: moment was hurley feeling like the luckiest man on earth and boone being there without shannon. hurley's bad luck started before he had ever learned about the numbers. it started with that dock collapsing. ps...how did he win the lotto? did the dock still collapse and did he still commit himself where he learned about the numbers? that in itself kinda begs the question when exactly did the island sink? if it sank because of the nuclear warhead in 1977, then i guess toomey and simms would have heard the numbers back in the day. also (tangent) what does this mean about ben and richard and all the others and the dharma people and...JACOB? when was it that jacob visited each of the survivors? did he visit any of them after 1977? did he survive the blast? did he survive the island sinking? (double tangent) is he now, much like obi wan, more powerful than [smoky] can ever imagine? anyway...more on jacob later. back to hurley. so, if hurley did commit himself to the asylum where he heard the numbers, then it probably was still because of his guilt over the dock collapsing in which case, why does he feel like the luckiest man alive? they came up with a reason for him to be in australia besides trying to find toomey, but only so they could get away with him saying how lucky he is.
boone's lack of shannon on the other hand seems to only be a writers excuse for a lack of actress. it also made it easier to let boone and locke have a connection.
on a short side note, i'm sad for bernard and rose since she probably still has cancer.
moving along, it was a very interesting conversation between jack and locke in the customer service area for oceanic. "nothing is irreversable." what does that mean, jack? and locke saying "no one knows where your father is, they just lost his body"...real deep and philosophical, john. the last place we saw christian was with claire on the island, so i suppose, in the sense that no one knows where the island is, no one does know where christian is. although, since the island is deep under the south pacific, would he have gone there? doubtful.
it all goes back-ish to jacob. who is he? where is he now that the island is gone, or at least uninhabitable? also, how come jacob could leave the island, but smoky never could? he says, when he's talking with ben, that the difference (he might even call it the irony) is that he's "inhabiting" or posing as or whatever as john and john was the only on who didn't want to leave the island and that is the only thing that smoky does want. also...what's all this business about "jacob's body guards"? are they part of a group who's sister cell in egypt is charged with keeping people from waking imhotep? and who is that asian guy who's too cool for english? why did jacob add them to the list just now even though he had contacted all of them long ago? that brings up the point that the list is real and jacob did really give ben names; he wasn't just wielding the name jacob to do whatever he wanted. and in that case, how was the list delivered to ben? did he take dictation for jacob? did he just get pre-written lists?
remember when richard went to see a very young john? one of the items was a book of law...now what laws those were has been debated. some have suggested that they were the laws of time travel, others that they were "the laws" in a much more biblical sense, or that it just represented order apart from science. now some pieces have clicked for me and i believe that those laws are the same rules that ben mentions to widmore after keamy kills alex which are the same rules that prevent smoky from outright killing jacob. there's probably something along the lines of "no killing" either "innocents" or "unless first attacked" or something like that. or maybe it's like in the matrix where if everyone is agent smith and there's no neo then the force is out of balance or some such...maybe you just can't harm your own counterpart or his family, though i don't know who would be the good guy between ben and widmore.
speaking of good guy, i thought they made it plenty clear about how important sayid was without having him in the crucifix pose when they pulled him out of the pool. also...perhaps his body is now posessed by recently deceaced jacob (it would be cool, though i would miss sayid), but don't go assuming that just because smoky took on the form of john, that now jacob is going to take over sayid's actual body. that's an absurd jump in logic. who knows where that's going...especially with introducing a slew of new characters, including weird asian and hippie translator.
there has been some pondering what juliet ment when she wanted to tell sawyer "it worked." i believe quite clearly, she meant causing the explosion worked just the way they wanted it to. during her semi-concious babblings about getting coffee and going dutch, she must have been slipping between realities...probably...i think...at least it makes the most sense to me at the moment.
that's about all i can think of for right now. please leave comments, questions, other theories, anything. i'd love to hear from you.
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So here are my thoughts. Since the Island is underwater...and we saw that the Dharma compound had a swingset and housing ect. I'd like to believe that the bomb actually is unassociated with the sinking of the island. The compound was underwater much in the same way it looked after "the others" took out the Dharma folk. Which leads to... If the bomb didn't sink the island...than what did? Perhaps this is what Miss. Hawking was refering to when she said "everyone on the island will die"... We associate that with so many things going on the island. Perhaps since ash can't be uselful underwater, therefore Smokey would be able to go wherever the hell he wanted...the sinking of the island would give him the power to do so... if so, when does he sink it?
ReplyDeleteSecond. The asian guy. He's japanese. I found this out while watching the show in closed caption. I like to watch Lost that way because sometimes its helpful to read exactly what is said for later reference. And the hippie guy his name is Lennon. (silly, since someone had already facebooked "how the hell did John Lennon get on the island?"
There are actually quite a few inconsitency's in the flash sideways. Don't take into account that the Bomb put things right and prevented the plain from crashing. So much is different in the flash sideways including Hurly's luck and outlook on life, Boone being without his sister, ect. ect. It would appear that many things have changed in this flash sideways not JUST the plane not crashing.
Perhaps. This is what Ms. Hawking was refering to... would the island merely sink in another reality? how different are things in that other reality? If you die or don't die in the other reality how does that effect the first reality?
Things we also are not SURE of, yet... Desmond: on the plane or just flashing through? We never saw Claire's stomache: pregnant or not?
I know more of the questions are sure to be answered. And that's why we continue to tune in every week. Can't wait for tomorrow! Robb
yeah...i noticed the lack of showing claire's belly. i figure since next week's is called "what kate does" (nice play on their previous title, btw) we'll find out pretty early on whether she's pregnant or not. about lennon...i feel we can be pretty sure that it's not really john from the beatles for two reasons...a) the writers love to play off famous names and b)he doesn't have a british accent. i like the thoughts on hawking's statement about "every one of us will die." there was also something said, though i don't remember by whom, about "every living person on the island" dying. only time will tell. stoked for tomorrow, too. love ya, robb.
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Having gone through another couple of weeks, I have a little time to add my thoughts, too. If you watch the pop-ups in the enhanced repeats of the previous week's episode, they keep referring to "flash sideways" thus: "It presents what would have happened if Oceanic Flight 815 did not crash on the island but instead landed safely in Los Angeles." That seems definitive. Could be misdirection, but I don't think so.
ReplyDeleteIt is puzzling that several things seemed to have occurred differently prior to any contact with Jacob. For instance, Jack apparently married many years before he married Sarah, which had to have happened in 2002 or 2003. (Shannon was 18 when her father died in the crash Sarah caused, and Shannon was 20 on the island in 2004.) David Shepard is about 14 in the 2004 flash sideways, meaning Jack had to have been married in 1990. How did John become paralyzed if Helen is willing to invite John's father to a "shot gun" wedding in Vegas? Sun and Jin appear to be brother and sister (no wedding rings, she calls him Jin, not Jin-shi, or whatever the term of endearment for her husband is, the Customs agent calls her Miss Paik, and Jin is referred to only as "Sir.") I'm guessing the prostitute's blackmail took place but was aimed at Mr. Paik, so she took the money and left the baby Jin with him. When Sun visited Jin's fisherman father, who said no one knew for sure who Jin's father was, I said that it might very well be Mr. Paik.
Jacob met Sun and Jin at their wedding, well after 1977. He met Jack well after 1977. He didn't meet Hugo or Sayid until after they became two of the Oceanic Six.
I am now convinced that the Christian we saw holding Claire's baby in the jungle, sitting in the cabin, on the freighter telling Michael he could go now, and with John at the donkey wheel was actually Smokey Christian. As much as I never wanted to believe that to begin with. But the Christian who led Jack to the caves and appeared to him in LA was Dead Christian.
Smokey is apparently a prisoner on the island, which may not be the Gateway to the Underworld as I had been thinking, but rather an Alcatraz that serves as the fulcrum in the balance of good and evil in the world. Although, there are certainly strange things going on there that have to do with dead people. Smokey's right when he says the island doesn't need protection -- the island is actually serving to protect the world from him. If he escapes, good and evil will be completely out of balance.
I think Juliette's coffee talk was similar to the flash Desmond had, not when he was on the helicopter, but when he turned the fail safe key. I think she saw a time when she and James first met. Did you notice the ring James threw into the ocean was the same little marquee cut diamond that Desmond threw into the Thames?
Speaking of Desmond, I believe he is the one coming to the island. What he was doing on 815 in the alternate reality, I don't know, but I agree he probably wasn't there for the whole flight. However, he was too self-possessed for that to have been part of the flashes he made looking for his constant. Maybe it's part of Eloise's doing.
Okay, so Claire's baby is gone because Smokey wanted it gone. Somehow, it presents a threat to him if it grows up on the island. His arguments about Jacob's pushing them to the island are, I believe, bogus. If you follow your true calling, is that fate? Are you being manipulated like a puppet on a string? Or are you simply following what you know deep inside to be the Right Thing to Do? Maybe being touched by Jacob awakens that knowledge -- the knowledge of Good and Evil. Of course you are free to choose to do evil. But if you have already decided that you want to live your life doing the Right Thing, will you really have any other choice even though you always have a choice?
Very excited for tomorrow! Love you both! Sue
P.S. I have believed for more than a year now that the bodies in the cave are Rose and Bernard. We just haven't seen them pick up and bag those polished stones yet. Hurley has begun preparing us -- as they have let him do before -- by asking, "What if they are us?" (He served the same function when he and Sayid heard the big bands music on that radio, and Sayid said it was impossible to tell where it was coming from, and Hurley countered with, "Or from when. Just kidding, dude.")
ReplyDeleteSo will it be necessary for Aaron to return to the island?
Oh, the Book of Law. It seems that the strictest law has to do with the Others not killing one of their own, which apparently includes "candidates." But it sure doesn't prevent them from killing anyone else they perceive to be a threat. The loophole Smokey used, of course was to find someone else who would kill Jacob for him. Hence, the pill Dogan gave Jack for Sayid would only "work if he took it of his own free will." Their morality seems a bit smoke-and-mirrors, if you ask me.
Yay, Tuesday!